orinj:

you have too much faith in microsoft, dont get me wrong i love microsoft, nearly everything i use is microsoft, but that doesnt mean that everything they make is the best.

the difference between google and microsoft is that google know wot the users want, and get it right first time. 

Dude, the only difference between Microsoft and Google, is that Microsoft is Microsoft, but Google is a Microsoft wanna be !
 

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Ayman Farouk:

orinj:

you have too much faith in microsoft, dont get me wrong i love microsoft, nearly everything i use is microsoft, but that doesnt mean that everything they make is the best.

the difference between google and microsoft is that google know wot the users want, and get it right first time. 

Dude, the only difference between Microsoft and Google, is that Microsoft is Microsoft, but Google is a Microsoft wanna be !
 

 
Uhh... Why would Google EVER want to be like Microsoft? Google is just as successful in their own right, Microsoft or no Microsoft.

 

Microsoft Corporation

Net income	US $12.6 billion (2006)[2]
Employees	71,172 (2006)

Google Inc.

Net income 3.077 Billion USD (2006)[1] Employees 12,238 (March 31, 2007)

 Microsoft make more money than Google. But if you look at the net income to employee ratio, for Google it's 0.25 million per employee, but for Microsoft it's 0.17 million per employee only. Which means that when you take corporation size into account, Google does make more money than Microsoft. In fact, if Google was as big as Microsoft, and had the same ratio, it would have the net income of 17.7 billion per year.

When you think about it, it was Microsoft who first tried to challenge Google by redoing their MSN search. Then, when G-mail came out, they had to redo hotmail, which was something Microsoft never did in about 3 or 4 years. Even Yahoo used Google search on their website till 2004.

 I remember all the tricks hotmail users tried at my school in order to increase their inbox size, all hoaxes. Apparently, all they needed to do was wait for Gmail to change things forever.

 Besides, you can't compare Google and Microsoft head to head. Google has a completely different philosophy than Microsoft. Google's policy is to "make money and do no evil". Microsoft depend on their monopolies and patents. Each thing works out fine for each company. For me, I wouldn't buy an operating system by Google, or use a search engine made by Microsoft (Unless it featured a really hot chick).  Bel Arabi, khaloo el khobes la khabazo.   
 

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Mohammed Abbadi
Microsoft Certified Skeptic
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Okaay,, easy man.. just give me the chance to ask couple of questions.. Why is Google trying to make this huge amount of desktop applications if they don't want  to be like MS.. ? why are they planning to build an OS ? why are they hiring engineers, architects, developers from all over the world?  don't tell me cause they want to enhance their search engine and they're too happy in that track !
 

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Ayman Farouk:

Okaay,, easy man.. just give me the chance to ask couple of questions.. Why is Google trying to make this huge amount of desktop applications if they don't want  to be like MS.. ? why are they planning to build an OS ? why are they hiring engineers, architects, developers from all over the world?  don't tell me cause they want to enhance their search engine and they're too happy in that track !
 

 Well, I was suprised to hear you say that they're planning to build an OS, so I googled it, and I found nothing solid, only posts of people WANTING them to make an OS.

 The thing about Google most people don't get is... Google is really, really, powerful. People don't find Google scary at all, when they should. Google make everything look like sugar, and spice, and everything nice, meanwhile they're plotting our movements on the web. Google don't need to worry about Live search or Yahoo search, because search is only one part of their master plan. People use google all the time in the US, Google maps, Google search, Google ads, Froogle, etc. They know what people want. That's their biggest plan at the moment. Advertising. In fact, Google is thrilled Microsoft decided to do Live search, it would distract Microsoft from Google's master plan.

 Now, the next few lines may come as a shock, and they may sound a bit Sci-Fi, but I believe it's true. Google OS is already deployed and running.

Yep. And we're all using it. Minutes from me writing this code, more than 5 google crawlers would have already read and indexed this post in the mighty Google computer. Now, my index would be very low, but if Bander really liked what I wrote here and posted a link to it on his blog, then my relevance would go higher on the Google computer. My post would become increasingly popular when more and more people link to it in order to learn about the Google OS.

 Let's talk more about the Google computer. It's a cluster of more than 100,000 computers. It has a custom in-house Google OS (rumoured to be Unix based). It's running the world's top search engine, a video-sharing website, a social networking service, a shopping price comparison engine, a new email service, and a local search/yellow pages engine, and lots more. One can safely say that it's the best computer in the world, with the best operating system in the world, because millions of people use that computer each and everyday. Yep, that's the Google OS Ayman. It's a web OS, and all of us (except for Murad :P) have an account on that OS and are using it. 

Google would NEVER want to be like Microsoft. That would be a step down. They're currently Internet giants, why would they want to stoop down to becoming a platform developer?  Microsoft are smart, they took over the platform market, and stepped out of the application market. That's a really smart move, and by doing that, they regained their lead in the market in the past few years. Net platform was a master-stroke. Microsoft are really big because many people rely on them. Google aren't at that level, they're part of the bigger picture.

That explains Google Docs and Spreadsheets. Google didn't do this to compete with Office, Google D&SS is web-centric. Think of it as Google OS's office application. All you need is internet access and you can log onto your Google OS account and edit some files. It's an Internet Operating System. I read this term the other day in an article by Tim O'Reilly, and that applies perfectly for Google OS. Store that on your Google space, or send it using Gmail to your Gbuddy - err.. I mean buddy :P - and voila. So, in my opinion, and this ENTIRE article is my opinion, based on what I read on the subject, the Google OS is already there. All that's missing is Google slapping a name on it and advertising it. Who knows, maybe they're already planning to do that, but they're waiting till they're big enough. In my opinion, Google will be the most relevant IT company in the world in 3-5 years, and all the current companies we consider to be industry leaders will be far behind. Don't forget that Google got this big and people still think Google is 'cool'. You may underrate this 'coolness' factor, but Tim O'Reilly thinks it might be vital. He said, "Especially in the fast-moving high-tech industry, the "coolness" factor can make a huge difference both in attracting customers and in attracting the best staff." 

 At some point, I predict you won't even need a proper PC to access all of this. Google will soon enter the hardware business, and if they do, they'll make hardware devices that automatically log you on the Google OS. And these devices might be anything from modified UMPCs, Laptops, Mobile Phones, or PDAs. And remember, "Those who control information, control the world."

 
EDIT: Heh... apparently I'm not alone in thinking of the Google OS Thing. I found this article that explains everything I said here in a better manner. Here's the link.

 EDIT2: Another thought I had... Microsoft might know this too. Their whole "Live" thing is based on this idea. Who are the wannabes now, eh? :P

 

 

 

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Mohammed Abbadi
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Program Developer (C#, Java, Common Lisp)

well said..

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Ahmad Hammad

Man, you got me twisted ! I don't get your point ! No one said that Google ain't an  internet giant ! Or their search engine is not great ! What I tried to say is .. if you take a look at the applications that Google has deployed during the last year, and read MS history you'll see yourself reading two similar stories. Although, MS started with the OS thing and Google started with the internet thing.. but the idea is the same.. someone who starts small and limited,, wants to grow up and break the limits --  by reaching everyones needs ! Regarding to the wanna-be's thing .. man, the only thing that made MS too POWERFULL in the past was targeting developers as well as targeting the users ! Developers use your tools.. in order to build applications to your PLATFORMS.. Now, take a look at Google's LABS ! take a look at Web Developers library from Google... Who's the wanna be in this ? MS is a wanna be in the Search thing ! Oh man give me a break,, imagine yourself leading the biggest empire in this world .. wouldn't you like to WIN in everything .. ? in every single path ? Microsoft, tried to beat SONY with the XBox, Apple with ZUNE, NOKIA with the smartphone ! IS MS A WANNA BE  !?  they're KIDS then ! hehe .. it's just what they call "jnoon el 3azameh" ... I cannot imagine I have written all this ! lol

God Bless Microsoft and no one else -- I will put it in my signature ! lol 

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Hahaha... Zune makes me laugh so hard. It's horrible. What were MS Thinking?!

 All I'm saying is, it's not fair calling Google wannabes. Microsoft and Google are fundementaly different. True, both companies started small and grew, but then again, doesn't that apply to all companies? Name one company that started big.

Oh, and Microsoft did not do all this by reaching everyones need, but because of it's monopoly and propriety software. You should see that documentary on Apple and Microsoft called "Pirates of Silicon Valley".

 Oh, and God Bless Microsoft and everyone else. Wo ekhaleehoom meshan nelagee shogol baadeen.


 

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Mohammed Abbadi
Microsoft Certified Skeptic
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dude the Zune is awesome

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Muhanad Omar | MSP

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Muhanad Omar:

dude the Zune is awesome

Do you own one?

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Mohammed Abbadi
Microsoft Certified Skeptic
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Massina:

Muhanad Omar:

dude the Zune is awesome

Do you own one?

 

My brother does !     It's awesome, the only thing disliked about it, its size !     

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lol, it seems hot in here

1: google is the next microsoft as microsoft is the next ibm, <hardware> ==> <software-desktop> ==> <software-web>

2: empire raise and fall, and companies are like small empires, the only thing left in the end is god.

3: customers don't care if they like microsoft or google, they just want to do thing fast and easy, who ever makes this true will rule.

4: even microsoft employees use google and that is a fact they tell, yes as a joke but still its the fact.

5: microsoft have grown large and weak, they have multi fields which make them less focus:

1. OS vs linux sellers
2. DB vs Oracle
3. Docs vs Adobe
4. Devs vs Sun
5. MP4 players, vs Apple, Creative
6. Consols vs Sony, Nintindo
7. Web services vs Google, Yahoo
8. other fields

*  only put the major players

so, yes microft is doing fine, and WILL NEVER reach the level where its the top of all fields.

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Massina:

Hahaha... Zune makes me laugh so hard. It's horrible. What were MS Thinking?!.

So what exactly about the Zune makes you laugh so hard?? Like I said before, it's awesome, and I meant it. I don't own one right now but I'm definitely buying one this summer. And trust me, I'm not getting it over the iPod just because I support Microsoft. It's because I think it's really nice and I really do like it. Let's check out a comparison between the Zune and it's competitor. Remember, that the Zune is still a 1.0, so expect the next version to be a lot better.

Price: $250
Storage Capacity: 30 GB
Height: 4.4"
Width: 2.4"
Depth: 0.6"
Weight: 5 oz.
Battery Life: 14 hours

SCREEN SIZE: 3"

 

Price: $250
Storage Capacity: 30 GB
Height: 4.1"
Width: 2.4"
Depth: 0.4"
Weight: 4.8 oz.
Battery Life: 14 hours

SCREEN SIZE: 2.5"

So lets see, when it really comes down to it, the weight is what matters if you're concerned with size and whatnot, and the iPod is only 0.2 oz lighter, a difference you can't even feel. And concerning the other dimensions, I would glady take them, considering I'm getting a screen that's half an inch bigger than the iPod's!! A major plus on the Zune's side. Photos and videos will come out a lot better and nicer to view.

As far as the Wi-Fi that only connects to other Zune devices, why even complain? It's not like the iPod even has Wi-Fi anyways.

From what I hear, the interface is amazing and extremely easy to use. The buttons are simple and everything does exactly what it's supposed to-- no tricks or hidden functionalities. The only bad thing I've heard about the Zune is that when you want to transfer music from your computer to your device, you have to do it through the software provided-- you can't just drag-and-drop through the file explorer. Either way, people say the software is actually really easy to use.

What else... some say the Zune is too bulky for an MP3 player. Well you have to remember, iPod has a family of products and it's not like Microsoft released the Zune for people to compare it with the iPod Nano. As you can see, it does pretty well compared to the normal iPod, and if you look back at the first iPod, well it was pretty damn huge and heavy. Take it from me, my sister has one.

For a 1.0 the Zune is pretty great. I don't see any reason why it's something to laugh about.

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I could just end this discussion at your post. The only good thing about the Zune is that extra half inch IN DIAGONAL. But apparently, nobody cares about that extra half inch. In fact, the Zune screen appears out of proportion, because you have the same witdh but half an inch extra diagonally.

You can't compare it to the first iPod, those things didn't even have video. Oh, and the "amazing and extremely easy to use" interface, lots of Zune reviewers disagree. Not to mention the fact that Apple's reputation is making "amazing and extremely easy to use" interfaces. That's Apple, making Computers for people who don't know how to turn on a PC.

 Other than that, you didn't mention anything else that makes the Zune better than the iPod. Assuming the Zune is just as good as the iPod, therefore:-

Zune is just like iPod;

iPod came before the Zune

Thus, Zune is an iPod Clone. 

QED.

If that's not enough, here's a list of bad Zune reviews.  

• Engadget has a blow-by-blow walkthrough of installing the Zune software, saying that “Installing the Zune sucked.”
• PC World says it’s a good first effort, but “the Zune’s features don’t seem compelling enough to make it a serious threat to take a big chunk out of iPod sales.”
• Popular Mechanics calls the Zune “the husky, ugly cousin of the iPod”.
• Gizmodo says the brown Zune looks like it’s made of swamp water jello. We’re not sure what that means, but it sounds ugly.
• USA Today says “it’s no iPod.” Reviewer Edward C. Baig adds “I’d like to see more offerings in the store, and less stringent wireless restrictions. And Microsoft should rethink the silly points system. For now, I’m sticking with iPod.”
• The New York Times review, by David Pogue, agrees, noting that a list of things that iPods do that Zunes don’t could stretch to Steve Ballmer’s house and back 10 times.
• SeattlePI’s review is one of more the positive reviews, but concludes “We hate to send a Dear Zune after such a brief courtship, but at the end of the night there is no doubt who we’re going to go home with” (an iPod).
• WSJ’s Walt Mossberg liked several aspects of the Zune, but concludes that the “first Zune has too many compromises and missing features to be as good a choice as the iPod for most users.”
• Business Week calls the Zune “a dismal failure“.

 The closest I've been to a Zune is trying it at a store. It's just nothing special. I'd chose an iPod over it on any day. In fact, when it comes to MP3 playing, I'd chose my own Creative MuVo player over the Zune.

 

 

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Mohammed Abbadi
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Massina:

I could just end this discussion at your post. The only good thing about the Zune is that extra half inch IN DIAGONAL. But apparently, nobody cares about that extra half inch. In fact, the Zune screen appears out of proportion, because you have the same witdh but half an inch extra diagonally.

First of all, the extra half inch is great. They made it like that so you can turn the Zune horizontally and view your movies/pictures widescreen. If you've noticed all PDA's and new phones have that option now. And yes, people do care about the extra inch.

 

Massina:

 

The closest I've been to a Zune is trying it at a store. It's just nothing special. I'd chose an iPod over it on any day. In fact, when it comes to MP3 playing, I'd chose my own Creative MuVo player over the Zune. 

Oh please tell me, what is soooo special about the iPod?? My brother has the Nano, my other brother has the newest 80 GB one, and my sister has the first one that came out. I've seen them all, and none of them have magical powers. They just play MP3s, movies, and pictures.. exactly what the Zune does. And oh yeah, I never said the Zune is better, I just said it's awesome.

And about your links. Get real dude, do you know how many times the first iPod crashed?? And don't get me started on the first iTunes, it blowed, and till today's version 7, it still uses a hell of a lot of memory to run!

There are a lot of Microsoft haters out there, most of which are critics who can't wait to bash on anything Microsoft. You don't see them writing articles like "OpenOffice, it sure as hell doesn't compare to MS Office!" They don't write these things because to them everyone is the underdog and Microsoft is the evil corporation on top. Whatever, they can all go kill themselves. The iPod is a great product and Microsoft may never reach that level with their Zune, but you know what, at the end of the day, no one's ever going to reach Microsoft's level of success-- thanks to a little something called "Windows"

And lets not play the whole "Zune is an iPod clone" game, because if we did that, then we'll just have a huge list of "This product is a clone of a Microsoft product."

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khalas 3ad! They are both good in their own ways, its just a matter of preference!

iZune for the win!

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Ahmad Hammad